California Sun Podcast

Stephen Pyne reimagines our ancient pact with fire

23 January 2025

Stephen Pyne, a renowned fire historian, discusses how climate change is creating unprecedented conditions for “mean fires” that overwhelm traditional firefighting approaches. He challenges the “war on fire” mindset, arguing instead for viewing fire as a biological force requiring public health-style interventions. Pyne talks about the need to distinguish between urban and wildland fire management,…

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